Blue Marble pair spawning

[LizStreithorst]

I guess that this time I'll pull the pair and let the fry hatch out in the 20.  They've had lots of chances to get it right, but I hate doing this.  Fish should be smart enough to raise their own kids

[Mugwump]

I guess that this time I'll pull the pair and let the fry hatch out in the 20.  They've had lots of chances to get it right, but I hate doing this.  Fish should be smart enough to raise their own kids

..just bite the bullet and raise some beauties....

[BallAquatics]

We are our own worst enemies when it comes to this.  In the wild, non parent raisers don't produce offspring with that bad trait.  Every time we intervene we run the risk of weakening the positive traits that evolution has produced.....

In reading some of Charles Clapsaddle's work, it doesn't take very long for us to change the fish.....  http://goliadfarms.com/about/our-team/

Dennis

[Mugwump]

We are our own worst enemies when it comes to this.  In the wild, non parent raisers don't produce offspring with that bad trait.  Every time we intervene we run the risk of weakening the positive traits that evolution has produced.....

In reading some of Charles Clapsaddle's work, it doesn't take very long for us to change the fish.....  http://goliadfarms.com/about/our-team/

Dennis

only really if we return them to the wild waters. I understand that most any trait can be bred out, but not sure if all, or any, can be completely eradicated...??

[LizStreithorst]

We are our own worst enemies when it comes to this.  In the wild, non parent raisers don't produce offspring with that bad trait.  Every time we intervene we run the risk of weakening the positive traits that evolution has produced.....

In reading some of Charles Clapsaddle's work, it doesn't take very long for us to change the fish.....  http://goliadfarms.com/about/our-team/

Dennis

[BallAquatics]

only really if we return them to the wild waters.

I don't see it that way at all.  Look at all the fish that breeders want to cross back to wild stock to get some of the "goodness" back into them.  These fish are never going back into the wild and the breeders never had an intentions of putting them back in the wild.

It's like the non parent raisers.  10 generations down the line and non raising is their trait as they have basically been selectively breed that way.....  even if it was not the breeders intent.

Dennis

[LizStreithorst]

We are our own worst enemies when it comes to this.  In the wild, non parent raisers don't produce offspring with that bad trait.  Every time we intervene we run the risk of weakening the positive traits that evolution has produced.....

In reading some of Charles Clapsaddle's work, it doesn't take very long for us to change the fish.....  http://goliadfarms.com/about/our-team/

Dennis

I agree with you, Dennis.  Discus can be artificially raised but it's such a huge PITA that people don't do it except as an exercise in finding out that they can.  That's the reason that Discus can almost always raise their own kids given correct care.  It's also the reason that many Angels cannot.  Back when I was breeding show dairy goats I found that they lost resistance from parasites when I bred only for conformation.  All show breeders did.   I don't want to make the same mistake with parenting ability with  Angels.  These are nice fish but I don't think I'll be happy if I have to pull the pair.  I

[Mugwump]

I see what you mean Dennis, and tend to agree....but the trait seems to allow the re-learning of parent raising too. Myself, Ed and others have put together raising/non-raising pairs where the 'raiser' taught the 'non-raiser' how it's done.......or was it never gone, just awakened?

[LizStreithorst]

I've decided to let nature take it's course with this spawn.  They are good fish.  I could always donate them as a prize if we were to have a contest.  If I pull a spawn it will be from my HBXblue silver pair, but I need to give them one more try at it.

[GeorgeG]

I no longer pull eggs because I am no good as a parent so I let the fish do it. If they don't off to the for sale lot or one of my friends can try. I have some blue Marbles that I am waiting to pair off also. I may have to put the two nicest ones in a tank and hope they are male/female